tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post5514025890615389621..comments2024-03-21T00:30:32.509-07:00Comments on From A Left Wing: Modern Minstrels: Sexist Jokes about Women AthletesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-30898447318141647222009-03-06T09:53:00.000-08:002009-03-06T09:53:00.000-08:00Also note the low score and it's in the fourth qua...Also note the low score and it's in the fourth quarter.<BR/><BR/>That video is probably the worst thing I've seen and that's really saying something considering just how many terrible videos/stuff there is on the internet.<BR/><BR/>It's crap like that (well, other stuff too) that is the reason why I get along with women better than men.USAFA Bulldoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08447066433837225016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-5653663528154840692008-10-13T15:37:00.000-07:002008-10-13T15:37:00.000-07:00I don't think that's corny, and let me be ...I don't think that's corny, and let me be clear that I couldn't agree more about your point here. <BR/><BR/>If the video can be taken down for copy-right infringement, that's great. Go Jennifer! But if not, I'll go back to your game-day analogy because I do think you're suggesting defensive principals that won't work against this Goliath-sized Google offense & here's why.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking at this from a pure search-science perspective that Google (who owns YouTube) has a very specific way to rank search results. Basically, the more links we create to any given article/video online, the higher it will rank in search results & the more revenue it'll generate.<BR/><BR/>So, by sending the link around to a bunch of people... to send to a bunch of people... etc, we are in fact strengthening this video's viral impact on the web. Of course, we'd hope that each person who received your article took action & wrote in, but sadly, I doubt they did. <BR/><BR/>Then it all comes down to money, right? What incentive will Google have to remove this video (even if people do write in as you've suggested) when it's getting more and more $$ traffic $$ with every inbound link?<BR/><BR/>That's why I suggest the other strategy (linking to positive examples of female athletes) in my previous comment. For me, this idea incorporates modern technologies and utilizes the evolving dynamics of online media for social change. Could be worth a shot too, right?<BR/><BR/>I hope you don't mind this bit of banter on the topic & I hope you know it's all with positive intentions on my end. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-4134724916331388362008-10-09T16:22:00.000-07:002008-10-09T16:22:00.000-07:00I agree that positive action is important.But what...I agree that positive action is important.<BR/><BR/>But what you recommend is indeed difficult when footage of the Olympics is pulled for copyright violation - see my entry on Brazil's great game against Germany. Twice the youtube videos to which I've linked (featuring goals from that game) have been pulled from youtube for copyright infringement.<BR/><BR/>And yet that female goalkeeper video is still out there. And has been for a year. <BR/><BR/>I think that our collective passivity regarding sexist and homophobic statements actually makes the situation harder. We are so used to it from guys that we just accept it as inevitable - unavoidable. You can't help but feel "why waste my time on this." But when we ignore it, we let people think that these attitudes are somehow o.k. - just matters of "opinion". <BR/><BR/>Maybe not all feminists are interested in making the interventions I'm talking about - but more of us need to be.<BR/><BR/>We would not have Title IX if we didn't have those angry coaches, players, moms and dads out there intervening and FORCING schools to meet its requirements. The success of Title IX was not the legislation so much as the lawsuits which forced schools to respect it (and which continue to do so).<BR/><BR/>Changing things takes both positive (producing and circulating positive images) and "negative" action (actively fighting the circulation of those things which reproduce biased thinking, and encourage gender inequity). <BR/><BR/>It's just like the game: you need a great offense, and you need a great defense. Sorry, that's corny, I know.Jennifer Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05004554513454749517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-55619163499738841032008-10-09T14:50:00.000-07:002008-10-09T14:50:00.000-07:00Interesting perspective and great topic to bring u...Interesting perspective and great topic to bring up! Let's remember that search engines themselves are of course unbiased, directing search results because of many factors - at the top of this list are link juice, content and keywords. Instead of flagging this video, perhaps a more proactive strategy would be to build links to positive examples of female goalkeeper videos. Using bookmarking sites like Digg & Delicious, or embedding videos on Facebook & MySpace, we just might be able to create enough strength to alter Google's organic search results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-41027613245117621252008-10-07T22:17:00.000-07:002008-10-07T22:17:00.000-07:00well, it has inter-titles too, so they'd need to g...well, it has inter-titles too, so they'd need to go, too. but as betch suggests, yeah. pretty much. if it were men and women? then, maybe not. though i think people might pause and ask - how is the comparison a fair one? <BR/><BR/>remember - most of the women playing in those clips are amateurs. <BR/><BR/>which brings us to another reason this sort of thing is unfunny: where exactly is the fun of "taking down" women soccer players? it's one thing to mock the blunders of pro players given every privilege, paid tens of millions of dollars and pampered by a huge staff. but to mock the weakest moments of women who work full time jobs and are paid, say, $40/day for playing for their country in China (as they leave jobs and paychecks behind)? and then return home to badly run leagues, to situations in which every attempt to professionalize the women's game is quashed? how on earth is that supposed to be funny? <BR/><BR/>it is only funny if you think the idea of women playing at all is funny. and that's sexist.<BR/><BR/>you know what kills me - just kills me - is if you search "female goalkeepers" or "women goalkeepers" it's the FIRST video that comes up.<BR/><BR/>and youtube pulled the clips I'd linked to of Cristiane's AMAZING goals in the Olympics. copyright issues. but how are there not also copyright issues on this one? <BR/><BR/>argh. the more i think about it, the madder i get!Jennifer Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05004554513454749517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-55560593851933627172008-10-07T22:01:00.000-07:002008-10-07T22:01:00.000-07:00Geoff - the fact that "Goalkeeping Blunders" is a ...Geoff - the fact that "Goalkeeping Blunders" is a video of only women goalkeepers would likely lead to the same conclusions Jennifer makes above. Can't argue there aren't blunders made by male goalkeepers.betchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383067115784117167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-32825982294026884302008-10-07T21:52:00.000-07:002008-10-07T21:52:00.000-07:00What would your opinion be if the same exact video...What would your opinion be if the same exact video was simply entitled, "Goalkeeping Blunders"? . . .just curiousGeoff S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01919933739129962299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-30834806357550159882008-10-07T18:20:00.000-07:002008-10-07T18:20:00.000-07:00anonymous touches on something that often goes unn...anonymous touches on something that often goes unnoticed in Western sport -- usually the men deriding women for playing the game are the ones who sit around watching it on TV while they eat loads of starch and drink loads of beer, only to then play the same version of the game on a video game system while they eat loads of starch and drink loads of beer.<BR/><BR/>While not all athletes are respectful of female professional sports, I would imagine the preponderance of co-ed football leagues means that active men might be more respectful on the whole than their obese counterparts...Richard Whittallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18267088105544695799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-66321173822411811152008-10-07T17:07:00.000-07:002008-10-07T17:07:00.000-07:00I did yesterday (Oct 7), I'm curious to see what h...I did yesterday (Oct 7), I'm curious to see what happens. It will help if more people do it no doubt.Jennifer Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05004554513454749517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-35569156102418956352008-10-07T16:31:00.000-07:002008-10-07T16:31:00.000-07:00Great post.And - Has anyone tried reporting these ...Great post.<BR/><BR/>And - Has anyone tried reporting these videos to YouTube as hate speech?C in LAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11667562112687663196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-76205448093786950762008-10-07T11:03:00.000-07:002008-10-07T11:03:00.000-07:00Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank...Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!Jennifer Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05004554513454749517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-64963943802409846182008-10-07T10:49:00.000-07:002008-10-07T10:49:00.000-07:00What's interesting to me in this video are two thi...What's interesting to me in this video are two things:<BR/><BR/>1. that the guys who watch the games on TV and play them in video game versions are patently lazy, stupid, and generally the antithesis of the athletic images the sports actually project (male or female). It's as if hate speech is OK if you own up to being an ass. We see this posture on everything from TV news to animated TV series or parody films.<BR/><BR/>2. if you look at actual NBA video game ads, they always make a huge claim about some proximity between the video game and the actual sport. So here, the claim is that any WNBA video game would be not simply lame because it's "girls" who look too masculine, but "too much like old games we used to play as kids." Of course, it's a paradoxical overlaying of rhetorics of infantilization and masculinization onto WNBA players. But it's also interesting that "growing up" for these slacker-idiots means playing games that look more like actual TV broadcasts. What losers. Any claim by these sorts of characters about who should play what and how is completely just masculine hysteria designed to disguise the fact that their most highly polished skill is consuming entertainment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165780438929797577.post-53702401878337225692008-10-07T07:19:00.000-07:002008-10-07T07:19:00.000-07:00Thank you to my colleague Jim, who sent me the WNB...Thank you to my colleague Jim, who sent me the WNBA video!Jennifer Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05004554513454749517noreply@blogger.com